From the Tribune: Already there has been some internal unrest about the Bears' front-office decision to award two different types of commemorative NFC championship rings -- one for players, coaches, team President Ted Phillips and general manager Jerry Angelo, and a smaller, more modest one for everybody else. The slight difference in size and value is not the point in the minds of some people getting the rings worth less. The point, at least the one interpreted by some members of a group of employees the Bears consider a minority, is a lack of appreciation for key people in the organization who helped put the NFC champs together and keep them in one piece.
Think this just shows a lack of class by the organization.
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I guess Indy is classless also. They did the same thing.
The Bears gave out 230 rings. The NFL issues out 150 rings to champs. So they paid for 80 more rings than necessary and normal.
I doubt most organizations give out so many rings, so this is much ado about nothing.
Not that the Redskins are going to win a championship anytime soon, but if they did by some miracle, they probably don't have 150 folks to give them out to anyway. You know they don't have a GM, GM staff, or scouts, so that would save them at least 20 rings. Danny Boy would rather horde that cash for himself. I guess Danny Boy could always give a couple of rings to TomKat and their TomKitten.
There you go again, RobsObs. How do you know what the Redskins would do? Oh yeah, there "MO." Why so bitter? Why turn things on the 'Skins? If the 'Skins did the same thing, I would criticize. It was nice that the Seahawks took care of their own. The Bears disrespected their own and it is a shame. How much more would it have cost them? Basically, it would have been a couple of ticket sales.
Non-story.
I guess Indy disrespected its organization members also. They are just as classless as the Bears - even worse because they cheated folks out of SUPER BOWL RINGS. Or are you just hating on the Bears again?
How many rings did the Seahawks issue? I would not be surprised if it were far less than 230. If you show me that the Seahawks issued out more than 200 equal sized rings, then there might be some validity to this nonsensical post.
Who the f**k really cares if a ball boy gets the full NFC Championship ring, or one that is worth $300 less? It is still worth over $2000. This is just you trying to stir up some Bear hating again. I love how you say that you don't hate the Bears.
We'd have to see what the 'Skins would do, but seeing how they are nowhere near even sniffing the ring, I doubt we will get a chance to find out. Obviously, I was joking about TomKat/TomKitten. Take it easy Snapper!
I love it. You go off and get all riled up and then you say at the end, "Take it easy, Snapper!"
I'm calm. You are the one who is getting so defensive. It's not that big of a deal to me. It was the Tribune that reported the news. The author was the one who was critical of the Bears.
I don't know what is typical but it wasn't just the "ball boy" that got the second tier ring. The list of people scheduled to receive the scaled-down rings includes head athletic trainer Tim Bream, director of pro personnel Bobby DePaul, director of college scouting Greg Gabriel, popular equipment manager Tony Medlin and director of player contracts Cliff Stein. Seems to me that these are pretty important people to the team. It was reported that at least one of these folks has complained. I would agree that the ball boy could get away with the second tier ring.
The White Sox largely avoided this controversy by giving out 432 rings and 163 pendants, and their list included Hall of Famers such as Luis Aparicio and Carlton Fisk and families of past team owners such as Charles Comiskey, Mary Frances Veeck and John Allyn. Still, there were some involved with the team who complained.
The Sox rings were said to have an appraised value of $20,000. But they did win the World Series, so Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf spared no expense.
The McCaskeys are no strangers to handling hard feelings after championship seasons. Some members of the 1985 team still seethe recalling not receiving individualized miniature versions of the Super Bowl trophy after winning it all that season.
I am not sure how many rings the Seahawks issued but given that they awarded NFC championship diamond rings to players, coaches, equipment managers, trainers, scouts and the entire football staff, my guess is that the number was substantial.
Again, I don't know what is typical but the fact that the Tribune reported it and it appears to be an issue and this is not the first time that the McCaskeys have come under fire for their cheapness, it does not look good.
Give me numbers and then let's talk. I say the Seahawks gave out far fewer. If I am right, then your argument (and the one by the Trib) is silly.
However, we do know that the Colts had dual rings. I love how you don't call them classless.
Snapper - you are just a Bear-hating, Danny-loving Manny!
Just respond to the following:
Since we don't know how many rings the Seahawks gave out, do you believe the Colts are a "classless" organization also?
If not, why do you have a different standard?
I love it! "Snapper - you are just a Bear-hating, Danny-loving Manny!"
You are the one that is SO riled up and excited and defensive. You name call and accuse. You are silly.
If you had paid attention to my previous post, I said that I would be okay with the ball boy getting a second tier ring. However, the Bears left out some pretty significant individuals that were deserving of the same ring the players/coaches received and that is a shame.
If the Colts left out important people as well, than that is a shame as well and I would hold them to the same standard as I do the Bears.
I also said that I am not sure what it typical for teams to do. If Seattle was atypical than kudos to them for their generosity. If it is common practice to leave out significant personnel and give them second tier rings, then I made an error and the Bears did what everyone else does. Personally, seems like those individuals that they left out play a significant part in the Bears success and are not just "ball boys" and were deserving of the first tier ring. Would you not agree?
I have answered your question. Please answer mine.
How do you know who is significant? Virginia McCaskey - the owner of the Bears - got one of the "lesser" rings - which was still worth several thousand dollars. Is she not significant?
This is much ado about nothing and just an effort on your part to push a ridiculous story so you can just do your normal Bears hating. Feel better Snapper?
Bottom line is that if you give two types of rings, there are always going to be a few people who one could argue should get the "bigger" ring.
OK, so if I find a story about some Indy trainer who feels disrespected you would call the whole Indy organization classless?
It turns out that the Colts issued out some "third tier" rings that were about as big as class rings.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070613/SPORTS03/706130533/1004/RSS02
Man, those guys are cheap bastards and are a horrible organization. Right Snapper?
Honestly, who the f**k really cares?
Who the f**k really cares? I would say you given how upset you are getting. Take it easy, tiger.
Virginia CHOSE to have the smaller ring. Good for her.
Typical RobsObs. Won't anwer my question. One more time. Do you think that head athletic trainer Tim Bream, director of pro personnel Bobby DePaul, director of college scouting Greg Gabriel, popular equipment manager Tony Medlin and director of player contracts Cliff Stein are important people to the team?
It's really simple RobsObs. Just answer "Yes" or "No." It really isn't complicated. Really, it's not. Try answering a question for once. It feels kind of good.
I will repeat myself as I often have to do with you. "I also said that I am not sure what it typical for teams to do. If Seattle was atypical than kudos to them for their generosity. If it is common practice to leave out significant personnel and give them second tier rings, then I made an error and the Bears did what everyone else does."
It seems like you cannot understand the above. What I am trying to say is that if it is the norm to give secretaries and such lower tier rings, then fine. I personally think it is nice what Seattle did. I also think that the names I mentioned above are significant individuals. However, I can admit to making a mistake if it is common practice for teams to give significant individuals second tier rings. In that case, the Bears are not the exception and do what everyone else does and Seattle was the atypical one and deserve much credit.
In any event, settle down, tiger.
Sincerely,
Snapper
No, they don't deserve the rings. Because the organization decided who deserved the rings.
Maybe they chose the slightly smaller rings, I have no idea, but I have no problem with how the Bears gave out the rings. I'm sure they made their choices of who would get the rings carefully.
Like I said, Indy had three levels of rings. I bet you could find some folks who thought they deserved better.
Until you show me that Seattle had more than 150 rings, there is no reason to credit them for anything. If they did not have more than 150, they did not have to pay anything out of pocket. Think about how many 150 rings are. 150 rings allows you to give 75 rings to players (active, practice squad, injured reserve), 30 to coaches, 30 to front office staff, and 15 to owners.
Snapper, the bottom line is that the Bears went above and beyond the 150 (again disproving your "they are cheap" nonsense), and people like you just want to hate on them.
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